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Biasing an averave..

Biasing an averave..

2004-06-07       - By Jamie McDonnell

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Cheers Raff

That seems to have sorted it out, on the quick test scene I did anyway, I'll
try setting it up on the character and see how it goes. Thanks for your
suggestions man, I really appreciate you spending the time to help me out.
Hopefully, next ondon Meet, I'll get to buy you a beer for thanks...

Tar for now

Jamie
 -- -- Original Message -- --
 From: Raffaele "ThE_JacO" Fragapane
 To: XSI@(protected)
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM
 Subject: RE: Biasing an averave..


 If the bones are curling too much you could be experiencing an axis screw up
due to some gimbal lockin, and it’s only normal that it’s more obvious in the
last bones of a chain, where the bones are rotating the most and getting really
close to locking.

 

 Since you are working only on the Zaxis I seem to understand you could want
to change the order of rotation of your bones to a different order, maybe one
with Z on top of it, so that the axis will never overlap and Z will drive the
whole set.

 

 Also bear in mind that constraints work on a global level, not local, this
means that rotations could have a different meaning to that bone then they do
on the reference chain.

 In that case rotation orders properly set, and a set of expressions including
a bias variable (a slider in a CPset) could solve your problem.

 Also remember that your 3rd chain is better off in FK mode, even if you didn
’t keyframe the effector.

 

 Last but not least, since you are dealing with what is fundamentally a link
driven FK, you could also want to create your own hierarchy of objects and
setup of expressions, with centers set in the proper positions, rather then
using a chain.

 More control and easier to troubleshoot.

 

 I think that closely monitoring the orders of rotation and figuring out what
’s the axis orientation will cut you some beef.

 Always work in add mode btw, at least you will see the correct axis
repositioning and can figure out locking issues with proper visual feedback.

 

 ~Raffaele Fragapane
 ~Freelance Technical Animator & TD
 ~Senior TA @ Peerless Camera


-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----

 From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Jamie McDonnell
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:35 PM
 To: XSI@(protected)
 Subject: Re: Biasing an averave..

 

 Cheers Raffaele...

 

 I tried using constraints on a 6 bone chain, see I want each bone to be
blendable between an IK chain and a chain with the Spring Op on. It seems to
work fine for the firct 4 bones, then kinks at the 5th, non-comprehende!

 

 I'll try using 2 x 3 bone chains and see if that works, any other suggestions?

 

 Cheers

 

 Jamie

   -- -- Original Message -- --

   From: Raffaele "ThE_JacO" Fragapane

   To: XSI@(protected)

   Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:05 PM

   Subject: RE: Biasing an averave..

   

   If you constrain the orientation of this 3rd bone to the other 2 the blend
of the second constrain is going to act exactly like a bias, with 0.5 averaging
and anything below or over 0.5 moving toward one or the other bone.

   

   If constrains are not an option you are then looking forward to scripted
operators and slerping quaternions.

   

   ~Raffaele Fragapane
   ~Freelance Technical Animator & TD
   ~Senior TA @ Peerless Camera


-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---

   From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Jamie McDonnell
   Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:59 PM
   To: XSI@(protected)
   Subject: Biasing an averave..

   

   Afternoon all,

   

   Great to see the new features in 4, soooo looking forward to owning a copy.
.. anyways...

   

   I'm trying to create a Bias slider for an average of the z angle of 2 bones
onto a third.

   

   This makes the Z angle of Bone C sit in the middle of bones A and B, I need
to find a way of biasing that average through a slider.

   

   I hope I am having a dumb day and the answer is staring me in the face!

   

   Cheers all

   

   Jamie

   

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers Raff</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That seems to have sorted it out, on the quick
test
scene I did anyway, I'll try setting it up on the character and see how it goes
.
Thanks for your suggestions man, I really appreciate you spending the time to
help me out. Hopefully, next ondon Meet, I'll get to buy you a beer for
thanks...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tar for now</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jamie</FONT></DIV>
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 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">-- -- Original Message -- -- </DIV>
 <DIV
 style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
 <A title=jaco@(protected) href="mailto:jaco@(protected)">Raffaele "ThE_JacO"
 Fragapane</A> </DIV>
 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=XSI@(protected)
 href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A> </DIV>
 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 07, 2004 5:19 PM</DIV>
 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Biasing an averave..</DIV>
 <DIV><BR></DIV>
 <DIV class=Section1>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the bones are
 curling too much you could be experiencing an axis screw up due to some
gimbal
 lockin, and it’s only normal that it’s more obvious in the last bones of a
 chain, where the bones are rotating the most and getting really close to
 locking.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><
/SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since you are
working
 only on the Zaxis I seem to understand you could want to change the order of
 rotation of your bones to a different order, maybe one with Z on top of it,
so
 that the axis will never overlap and Z will drive the whole
 set.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><
/SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also bear in mind
 that constraints work on a global level, not local, this means that rotations
 could have a different meaning to that bone then they do on the reference
 chain.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In that case
rotation
 orders properly set, and a set of expressions including a bias variable (a
 slider in a CPset) could solve your problem.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also remember that
 your 3<SUP>rd</SUP> chain is better off in FK mode, even if you didn’t
 keyframe the effector.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><
/SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Last but not least,
 since you are dealing with what is fundamentally a link driven FK, you could
 also want to create your own hierarchy of objects and setup of expressions,
 with centers set in the proper positions, rather then using a
 chain.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">More control and
 easier to troubleshoot.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><
/SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think that closely
 monitoring the orders of rotation and figuring out what’s the axis
orientation
 will cut you some beef.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Always work in add
 mode btw, at least you will see the correct axis repositioning and can figure
 out locking issues with proper visual feedback. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><
/SPAN></FONT></P>
 <DIV>
 <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">~Raffaele Fragapane<BR>~Freelance
 Technical Animator &amp; TD<BR>~Senior TA @ Peerless
 Camera</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
 <DIV>
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<SPAN
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/FONT></B><FONT
 face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
 owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] <B><SPAN
 style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jamie McDonnell<BR><B><SPAN
 style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 07, 2004 6:35
 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
 w:st="on">XSI@(protected)</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
 style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Biasing an
 averave..</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
 size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
 <DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers
 Raffaele...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
 <DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
 size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
 <DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I tried using constraints on a 6
 bone chain, see I want each bone to be blendable between an IK chain and a
 chain with the Spring Op on. It seems to work fine for the firct 4 bones,
then
 kinks at the 5th, non-comprehende!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
 <DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
 size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
 <DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'll try using 2 x 3 bone chains
 and see if that works, any other
 suggestions?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
 <DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
 size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
 <DIV>
 <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
 style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p><
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</FONT></B><FONT
   face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
   title=jaco@(protected) href="mailto:jaco@(protected)">Raffaele "ThE_JacO"
   Fragapane</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
   size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN><
/FONT></B><FONT
   face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
   title=XSI@(protected)
   href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A>
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</FONT></B><FONT
   face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday
,
   June 07, 2004 2:05 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
   size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:<
/SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
   face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> RE:
   Biasing an averave..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
   size=3><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If
you
   constrain the orientation of this 3<SUP>rd</SUP> bone to the other 2 the
   blend of the second constrain is going to act exactly like a bias, with 0.5
   averaging and anything below or over 0.5 moving toward one or the other
   bone.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
   size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><
/SPAN></FONT></P>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If
   constrains are not an option you are then looking forward to scripted
   operators and slerping quaternions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
   size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><
/SPAN></FONT></P>
   <DIV>
   <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy
   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">~Raffaele
   Fragapane<BR>~Freelance Technical Animator &amp; TD<BR>~Senior TA @
Peerless
   Camera</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN
></FONT></B><FONT
   face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
   owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] <B><SPAN
   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jamie
   McDonnell<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday,
   June 07, 2004 2:59 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
   <st1:PersonName w:st="on">XSI@(protected)</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Biasing an
   averave..</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Afternoon
   all,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
   size=3><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Great to see the new features
in
   4, soooo looking forward to owning a copy...
   anyways...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
   size=3><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm trying to create a Bias
   slider for an average of the z angle of 2 bones onto a
   third.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
   size=3><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This&nbsp;makes&nbsp;the Z
angle
   of Bone C&nbsp;sit in the middle of&nbsp;bones A and B, I need to find a
way
   of biasing that average through a slider.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
   size=3><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope I am having a dumb day
   and the answer is staring me in the face!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
   size=3><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers
   all</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
   size=3><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
   <DIV>
   <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jamie</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p><
/P></DIV>
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   size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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