  | | | slow render options SOLVED! | slow render options SOLVED! 2004-04-05 - By Rob Cazin
Back This is interesting, the amount of user response regarding this problem, since every time I have ever mentioned it to Softimage tech support, they have given me the same line: "Gee, I have never heard of that before..."
H-E-L-L-O..... Earth to Soft
-- --Original Message-- -- From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of Sylvain Moreau Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:41 AM To: XSI@(protected) Subject: Re: slow render options SOLVED!
I am struggling with this problem for years. In my experience large numbers of file have a major impact on a system responsiveness. Unfortunately I really don't know much about what is causing this and how to fix it. Sometime I notice obvious performance problem (I recently ask XP to open all JPEG with Photoshop by default, XP responded by being 10 times slower...) but most of the time this problem is really insidious. The system is getting slower and slower without obvious reason. A large number of file in the same directory is never a good idea but I think there are other similar problems. I had a case where a hierarchy of directories was very slow to access. No folders in the hierarchy contained more than a 1000 pictures but the whole hierarchy contained more than a 100 000.
If anybody knows more about how to efficiently deal with large numbers of files please comments.
syl
p.s. I am not a Linux user but I remember having similar problems on Unix. System architects and animators probably don't have the same point of view on what is a 'reasonable' number of documents.
-- -- Original Message -- -- From: "kim aldis" <kim@(protected)> To: <XSI@(protected)> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:59 AM Subject: RE: slow render options SOLVED!
> That'd be it. Many pictures take years to scan. The other reason not to > allow too many files in directories - and this includes simulation cache > files too - is that windows is just crap at dealing with large numbers. > Thing is, there's no clear cut rules about how many and the problems it > causes aren't consistent. I had an incident a couple of years ago where > anything between 15000 and 18000 pics in a directory gave the error 'can't > write to file: Printer not available'. Go figure. > > -- -- Original Message -- -- > > From: "adrian" <adrian@(protected)> > > To: <XSI@(protected)> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:53 PM > > Subject: slow render options SOLVED! > > > > > > > you may or may not remember me waffling on about > > render/region options > > > ppgs taking YEARS to open and refresh when you changed ANY > > entry in the > > ppgbout > > > > > > finally found out it is related to how many images you have in your > > > Render_Pictures folder! > > > i have a current project that has 13,000 or so pal rendered > > pic files, > > > and the render options are very very slow > > > i saved the scene into a new/clean database and the render > > options are > > > really quick > > > > > > does anyone at Soft know if the fg/gi/image-output > > entries, in the ppg, > > > are refreshed every time something in the ppg is changed? > > > if so this behaviour needs to be modified > > > > > > ta > > > > > > a > > > > > > -- > > > <<<<< adrian wyer - Head of 3D - MillTv >>>>> > > > <<<<<www.photonmap.com>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Unsubscribe? Mail Majordomo@(protected) with the > > following text in body: > > > unsubscribe xsi > > > > > > > --- > > Unsubscribe? Mail Majordomo@(protected) with the following > > text in body: > > unsubscribe xsi > > > > > > > > > > --- > Unsubscribe? Mail Majordomo@(protected) with the following text in body: > unsubscribe xsi
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">This is interesting, the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">amount of user</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">response regarding this problem, since every time I have ever mentioned it to Softimage tech support, they have given me the same</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG= "en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">line</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">: "Gee, I have never heard of that before.. .</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">"</FONT>< /SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=5 FACE="CopprplGoth Bd BT">H-E-L -L-O...</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B> </B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=5 FACE="CopprplGoth Bd BT">.. Earth to Soft</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B ></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B></B></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">-- --Original Message-- --<BR> From: owner-xsi@(protected) [<A HREF="mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)">mailto :owner-xsi@(protected)</A>] On Behalf Of Sylvain Moreau<BR> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:41 AM<BR> To: XSI@(protected)<BR> Subject: Re: slow render options SOLVED!</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN ></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I am struggling with this problem for years.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">In my experience large numbers of file have a major impact on a system</FONT></SPAN>< /P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">responsiveness . Unfortunately I really don't know much about what is causing</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">this and how to fix it. Sometime I notice obvious performance problem (I</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">recently ask XP to open all JPEG with Photoshop by default, XP responded by</FONT></SPAN></P >
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">being 10 times slower...) but most of the time this problem is really</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">insidious. The system is getting slower and slower without obvious reason. A</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">large number of file in the same directory is never a good idea but I think</FONT></SPAN></P >
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">there are other similar problems. I had a case where a hierarchy of</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">directories was very slow to access. No folders in the hierarchy contained</FONT></SPAN></P >
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">more than a 1000 pictures but the whole hierarchy contained more than a 100</FONT></SPAN>< /P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">000.</FONT>< /SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">If anybody knows more about how to efficiently deal with large numbers of</FONT></SPAN></P >
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">files please comments.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">syl</FONT>< /SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">p.s. I am not a Linux user but I remember having similar problems on Unix.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">System architects and animators probably don't have the same point of view</FONT>< /SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">on what is a 'reasonable' number of documents.</FONT></SPAN></P> <BR>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">-- -- Original Message -- -- </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">From: " ;kim aldis" <kim@(protected)></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">To: <XSI @(protected)></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Sent: Saturday , April 03, 2004 2:59 AM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Subject: RE: slow render options SOLVED!</FONT></SPAN></P> <BR>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> That'd be it. Many pictures take years to scan. The other reason not to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> allow too many files in directories - and this includes simulation cache</FONT></SPAN></P >
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> files too - is that windows is just crap at dealing with large numbers.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> Thing is, there's no clear cut rules about how many and the problems it</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> causes aren't consistent. I had an incident a couple of years ago where</FONT></SPAN>< /P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> anything between 15000 and 18000 pics in a directory gave the error 'can't</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> write to file: Printer not available'. Go figure.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > ---- - Original Message -- --</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > From : "adrian" <adrian@(protected)></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > To: <XSI@(protected)></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > Sent : Friday, April 02, 2004 2:53 PM</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > Subject: slow render options SOLVED!</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> >< /FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> >< /FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > you may or may not remember me waffling on about</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > render/region options</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > ppgs taking YEARS to open and refresh when you changed ANY</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > entry in the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > ppgbout</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > finally found out it is related to how many images you have in your</FONT>< /SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > Render_Pictures folder!</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > i have a current project that has 13,000 or so pal rendered</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > pic files,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > and the render options are very very slow</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > i saved the scene into a new/clean database and the render</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > options are</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > really quick</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > does anyone at Soft know if the fg/gi/image-output</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > entries, in the ppg,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > are refreshed every time something in the ppg is changed?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > if so this behaviour needs to be modified</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > ta</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > a</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > </FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > <<<<< adrian wyer - Head of 3D - MillTv >>>>>< /FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">> > > <<<<<www .photonmap.com>>>>>>>></FONT></SPAN></P>
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