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3D ownership, intellectual property.

3D ownership, intellectual property.

2004-03-12 - By Matthew Lowery

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The techniques used to create the work for your client are YOUR intellectual
property. Everyone has their own way of rigging a character for example,
some are better at it than others, that knowledge is not for sale to your
client. Handing over the databases is in effect handing over your
knowledge,(and hence your intellectual property.) to your competition. I
would think that most countries have laws in place protecting intellectual
property, unless you have a contract stating other wise... the law is on
your side.

-- --Original Message-- --
From: Ing. Marek Mihok [mailto:animax3d@(protected)]
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:45 AM
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: RE: 3D ownership.

I agree with Kim and Sandy on this......

Client will GET A TAPE or FILM,
and yes if he wants a scenes, here he must pay double of agreed price... -
and mostly he step back....,
because at the end, it will be cheaper for him to do corrections with me if
database stay on my HD :)
but from time to time, I make a nice additional cash with selling whole
database, but that client
is not going to other freelancer, he just wants all data under closed
door...., and he is still my
client..

final result as mentioned before, GET RIGHT CONTRACT SIGNED............

Marek

-- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----
Ing. Marek Mihok - ANIMAX 3D
Juzna Trieda 9
040 01 Kosice
SLOVAKIA
+00421 905 316 504
animax3d@(protected)

-- --Original Message-- --
From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]On Behalf Of
Sandy Sutherland
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:14 AM
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: Re: 3D ownership.

Ok Darrin - how about this one - Storyboard - Trex comes blundering in,
smashing all and sundry, grabs the pack and exits screen left! You quote,
Model Trex using our proprietry Modelling tools, which makes Subdee
modelling a gazillion times faster - put said mesh through proprietry
Rigging Techniques that allow you to easily setup Muscle deforms and jiggle
using a Script or C++ Compiled Plugin - and then do animation - Does this
mean that your client then gets access to all your proprietry
techniques/scripts/code that allow you to keep that one step ahead of your
competition, who does things on the cheap, because he hasn't got the means
or know how to do these funky things - and then give it all to your
competitor to do the next installment, becuase he is cheaper!!!????? Sounds
like a whole load of sardines to me - Maybe in SA it can be like that,
because things here are somewhat out of kilter - BUT in the realworld one
does have terms and conditions, that tell the client that he is buying a
Digibeta tape with a piece of Video on it, or some film or whatever, but
that all the technology that went into making that small video does not go
with him on a CDr! Once again, as I said before, I am sure that ILM would
not let you walk out of there with your great MetroFM job on tape under one
arm, and a whole bunch of Databases under the other!!!

S.

-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----
Sandy Sutherland Digital Doodeller/Technical Director
The Refinery (Cape) http://www.refinery.co.za
mailto:sandy@(protected)
(P) (+27 21) 480 3132 (F) (+27 21) 480 3101
-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----
-- -- Original Message -- --
From: "darrin" <darrin@(protected)>
To: <XSI@(protected)>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: 3D ownership.

> Cole - Sorry but you are wrong, I'm not saying you hand over your copy of
> XSI!
>
> Gosh, out of twenty or so replies to this topic I am the only one that
sides
> with the client. I think I should become an American defense attorney
> (everybody knows the guy did it!)
>
> There is a fine line between product and tools used to create product.
> In British law anyway the client or customer who pays for the product is
> entitled to what he pays for!
> So, what I am saying is, if there is no contract stating otherwise, then
the
> client has claim to whatever he paid you to do! Simple. In your quote, you
> would have said, model three meshes and animate them, then Render out and
> composite. So he owns those meshes you modelled as well as the final
> rendered images.
> Since, if he brought along his own meshes, the quote would be cheaper.
>
> I guess what we have learnt from this topic is - GET A CONTRACT! ...
>
> Darrin Hofmeyr
> animator
> The Refinery
>
> visit http://www.dazland.com for more...
>
>
>
> -- --Original Message-- --
> From: Cole [mailto:cole@(protected)]
> Sent: 11 March 2004 08:34 PM
> To: XSI@(protected)
> Subject: Re: 3D ownership.
>
>
> Its kinda like selling your paints and brushes with the finished
> painting............. Doesn't happen
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The techniques used to create the work for your client are YOUR
intellectual property. Everyone has their own way of rigging a character for
example, some are better at it than others, that knowledge is not for sale to
your client. Handing over the databases is in effect handing over your
knowledge,(and hence your intellectual property.) to your competition. I would
think that most countries have laws in place protecting intellectual property,
unless you have a contract stating other wise... the law is on your side.

-- --Original Message-- --
 From: Ing. Marek Mihok [<A HREF="mailto:animax3d@(protected)"
>mailto:animax3d@(protected)</A>]
 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:45 AM
 To: XSI@(protected)
 Subject: RE: 3D ownership.

 

I agree with Kim and Sandy on this......


Client will GET A TAPE or FILM,
 and yes if he wants a scenes, here he must pay double of
agreed price... -
 and mostly he step back....,
 because at the end, it will be cheaper for him to do
corrections with me if
 database stay on my HD :)
 but from time to time, I make a nice additional cash with
selling whole
 database, but that client
 is not going to other freelancer, he just wants all data under
closed
 door...., and he is still my
 client..


final result as mentioned before, GET RIGHT CONTRACT SIGNED....
........


Marek


-- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----
 Ing. Marek Mihok - ANIMAX 3D
 Juzna Trieda 9
 040 01 Kosice
 SLOVAKIA
 +00421 905 316 504
 animax3d@(protected)


-- --Original Message-- --
 From: owner-xsi@(protected) [<A HREF="mailto:owner-xsi
@(protected)">mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)</A>]On Behalf Of
 Sandy Sutherland
 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:14 AM
 To: XSI@(protected)
 Subject: Re: 3D ownership.

 

Ok Darrin - how about this one - Storyboard - Trex comes
blundering in,
 smashing all and sundry, grabs the pack and exits screen left!
  You quote,
 Model Trex using our proprietry Modelling tools, which makes
Subdee
 modelling a gazillion times faster - put said mesh through
proprietry
 Rigging Techniques that allow you to easily setup Muscle
deforms and jiggle
 using a Script or C++ Compiled Plugin - and then do animation
- Does this
 mean that your client then gets access to all your proprietry
 techniques/scripts/code that allow you to keep that one step
ahead of your
 competition, who does things on the cheap, because he hasn't
got the means
 or know how to do these funky things - and then give it all to
your
 competitor to do the next installment, becuase he is cheaper!!
!?????  Sounds
 like a whole load of sardines to me - Maybe in SA it can be
like that,
 because things here are somewhat out of kilter - BUT in the
realworld one
 does have terms and conditions, that tell the client that he
is buying a
 Digibeta tape with a piece of Video on it, or some film or
whatever, but
 that all the technology that went into making that small video
does not go
 with him on a CDr!  Once again, as I said before, I am
sure that ILM would
 not let you walk out of there with your great MetroFM job on
tape under one
 arm, and a whole bunch of Databases under the other!!!


S.


-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----
 Sandy Sutherland  Digital Doodeller/Technical Director
 The Refinery (Cape)  <A HREF="http://www.refinery.co.za"
TARGET="_blank">http://www.refinery.co.za</A>
 <A HREF="mailto:sandy@(protected)">mailto:sandy@(protected)
.za</A>
 (P) (+27 21) 480 3132  (F) (+27 21) 480 3101
 -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----
 -- -- Original Message -- --
 From: "darrin" <darrin@(protected)>
 To: <XSI@(protected)>
 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:44 AM
 Subject: RE: 3D ownership.

 

> Cole - Sorry but you are wrong, I'm not saying you hand
over your copy of
 > XSI!
 >
 > Gosh, out of twenty or so replies to this topic I am the
only one that
 sides
 > with the client. I think I should become an American
defense attorney
 > (everybody knows the guy did it!)
 >
 > There is a fine line between product and tools used to
create product.
 > In British law anyway the client or customer who pays for
the product is
 > entitled to what he pays for!
 > So, what I am saying is, if there is no contract stating
otherwise, then
 the
 > client has claim to whatever he paid you to do! Simple.
In your quote, you
 > would have said, model three meshes and animate them,
then Render out and
 > composite. So he owns those meshes you modelled as well
as the final
 > rendered images.
 > Since, if he brought along his own meshes, the quote
would be cheaper.
 >
 > I guess what we have learnt from this topic is - GET A
CONTRACT! ...
 >
 > Darrin Hofmeyr
 > animator
 > The Refinery
 >
 > visit <A HREF="http://www.dazland.com" TARGET="_blank"
>http://www.dazland.com</A> for more...
 >
 >
 >
 > -- --Original Message-- --
 > From: Cole [<A HREF="mailto:cole@(protected)">mailto:cole
@(protected)</A>]
 > Sent: 11 March 2004 08:34 PM
 > To: XSI@(protected)
 > Subject: Re: 3D ownership.
 >
 >
 > Its kinda like selling your paints and brushes with the
finished
 > painting............. Doesn't happen
 > ---
 > Unsubscribe? Mail Majordomo@(protected) with the
following text in body:
 > unsubscribe xsi


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