Subject: When will it happen? 2005-05-10 - By Joel Blackwell
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I think you over-dramatize it a bit too much there (there is thing
called a save button) but, I'm fairly sure I hear what you're saying.
Let me just make sure I do though- you're saying that other applications
are more stable than TS?
-Joel
David P. Angelini wrote:
> Joel,
>
> I agree with everything you said about people thinking more about what an
> application is capable of rather than what an artist can do with it.....but
> there is one thing where the application (regardless of its technology) can
> have a huge impact on the ability of the artist.
>
> Believe it or not, it is NOT interface. A user can overcome the clumsiest
> of interfaces...it just takes more time and training, but they can be
> overcome. I have seen some amazing works of art being produced by
> parapalegics using nothing more than a paintbrush strapped to their
> forehead
> or clinched between their teeth. In fact, understanding what they had to
> overcome to create such works significantly adds to my enjoyment (and
> amazement) of their work. So it if it is not interface nor technology,
> then
> there is only one thing left.
>
> It is stability.
>
> A computer program must be stable and work as expected. If a
> combination of
> the wrong commands executed at the wrong time produce un-predictable
> results
> ranging from corrupted data to system crashes, then would you as a artist
> try to push yourself to new goals with that application? Computer art
> takes
> almost as much time as it does talent when you think of all the steps that
> are involved. Would you trust that your time and talent with an application
> if you knew that there was even the slightest chance that there would be a
> fatal rendering error that stopped you right before you crossed the finish
> line? Imagine the frustration if you could not see the final results from
> all your efforts! All the hours of modelling, texturing and lighting
> wasted! And you can add days to that time if you are rendering an
> animation. Imagine the frustration if, in addition to not enjoying your
> work after all that time spent trying to create it, it got corrupted in
> the
> process! If this happend once to you, would you still use the application?
> How about two times? Three? Would you still use it if it happened ten
> times? I would guess that we all have some tolerance threshold with
> instability, but if any of this happened to you then it may not really
> be as
> high as you would like to think.
>
> You can forgive lack of features and old technology because there are
> always
> work-arounds...in fact, some would say that it is these work-arounds that
> make you a better artist. There is no work-around for instability....that
> you are stuck with.
>
> So it is true that the technology does not make the artist....but
> instability can certainly keep him or her from practicing their art.
>
> Dave Angelini
>
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>
>> This post from an XSI user put it the best, I feel, about why he used
>> XSI.
>>
>> "The answer is simple, since you can do anything you want with most
>> todays apps, try this and that and make a choice. Choose what you feel
>> most comfortable with. Guys here just like XSI, not that it is the best
>> or something, go to other forums...they like other software and use it.
>> Nothing special."
>>
>> To be honest, I'm not a big fan of the images that have been coming out
>> of Truespace users as of late. My eye for a good rendering is no longer
>> the same as an amateur's eye, and it's been hard to give good comments
>> about the images on this list. They just don't look that great to me.
>> But, the above guy is right in what he said. The technology is so good
>> in almost every application on the market, the potential for amazing
>> images is possible for pretty much everyone. One of the best TS images
>> I've ever seen came out of TS4, and that was due to the fact the guy who
>> rendered it knew what he was doing with textures and lighting... and
>> didn't rely soley on how good his program was.
>>
>> There's been a lot of talk about using Vray is TS7. And, the reason
>> people are talking about it is because they're too busy thinking about
>> what's under the hood of an application, instead of mastering the basics
>> of composition, lighting, modeling and texturing. I think talking about
>> other apps is okay, but it shouldn't be some focus for a community. The
>> focus should be producing *better* art... not heading for the better
>> equipped toolset. If you're in a production pipeline, that may be a
>> different story, but I don't believe that's something many TS users have
>> to deal with, since TS wasn't designed for the same tasks as XSI and
>> Houdini.
>>
>> So my point- if Caligari have anything to worry about, it's that people
>> have lost the plot, and think the way to a better rendering is by having
>> more features. That's not true. For years applications have been able
>> to produce some amazing works. Sure, HDRI, caustics and GI all help,
>> but they're not essential for those that replace them with skill.
>>
>> -Joel
>>
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