TSML Closing 2005-04-28 - By Hazmat
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You know, something funny just occurred to me... A few posts ago,
Mattam and a couple other people mentioned the #IRC channel, and I have
to say that after hearing about it for years, I'm still really not
interested in trying it out. It's just my personal preference to NOT go
that route... That being said, I do think that it's important to have
many different methods of communication within the community, so I hope
that the #IRC exists for many years to come! (maybe give it a go when
tS7 hits)
John Gaubatz wrote:
>Dave,
>Your point is well taken. However, like Heath pointed out, if something is
>not advertised, how will anyone know it exists? Many companies host
>newsgroups, some of the bigger companies are Autodesk, Jasc and Rhinoceros.
>If these companies offered forums, I am sure the numbers of users of the
>newsgroups would dwindle as well. As far as taking resources away from
>development, Roman said he would close the TSML in favor of improving and
>redesigning the forums for TS7. So the resources would be moved to the
>forums, not development. I am not sure how much effort is involved in
>maintaining the TSML, but I would guess the forums require more time and
>effort to maintain. I also assume there is the cost of maintaining the TSML
>server hardware and software.
>I personally would like to see the forums be incorporated with the TSML in a
>way that the above mentioned companies have set up. In the forums, there
>would be links that allowed the viewer to view the uploaded images in a
>separate window. This is probably wishful thinking, but take a look at
>Rhinoceros support page. They have both the newsgroup and web newsgroup
>linked together, so it is possible.
>
>Regards,
>John
>
>-- --Original Message-- --
>From: TSML [mailto:truespace@(protected)] On Behalf Of David P. Angelini
>Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:17 PM
>To: truespace@(protected)
>Subject: Re: [TSML] TSML Closing
>
>Dave, Heath
>
>I agree with you on a number of levels, but let us remember that it is the
>community and NOT Caligari which make the TSML what it is....and basically,
>the community is going away from the TSML.
>
>Sorry....but here are the numbers that prove my point.
>
>Using the search function of the TSML archive, I ran a couple of queries. I
>queried for the total number of posts for the first 4 months of each year
>(January through April) for each year in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005.
>The totals are as follows:
>
>2001 - 7,326 posts were made between 1/1/2001 and 4/30/2001
>2002 - 4,023 posts were made between 1/1/2002 and 4/30/2002
>2003 - 2,521 posts were made between 1/1/2003 and 4/30/2003
>2004 - 800 posts were made between 1/1/2004 and 4/30/2004
>2005 - 354 posts were made between 1/1/2005 and 4/28/2005
>
>And if you look at the last month (April, 2005), there were only 37 posts
>made to the TSML of which 19 had "Test" as the subject and 13 were related
>to the TSML closing. Only 5 were actually related to anything in support of
>using tS! Now compare that to the 1,142 posts made in April of 2001 !!!
>
>So accounting for seasonality, school, work, whatever....the fact remains
>that the average number of posts drops by a factor of 2 (or cut in half)
>each year. Basically, people are just not using it and the level of support
>it provides to the tS community is only a shadow of what it once was. We
>can all get nostalgic about the glory days of the TSML (tSx announcements,
>flame wars, great WIPs from Terry Halliday, Opie Juan, Andrew Moffit, Dr.
>Wall, etc.) but that community is just not there anymore. There is very
>little to no plugin development going on anymore and a lot of the old timers
>(self included) who relied on the TSML in those days have moved on.
>
>We must face facts about the TSML as they are and not what we want them to
>be. Even if Caligari were to keep the service going (taking resources away
>from much needed development by the way), you are still not going to get the
>same amount of benefit it once provided for the simple reason that the
>number of people who use it keeps declining year after year.
>
>Sorry...but it is what it is.
>
>Thanks
>Dave Angelini
>
>
>
>>So, to me it's all about the amount of time it takes me to stay abreast
>>of tS/community. This list has been dead for longer than what could
>>reasonably be explained by "the holidays", or "school finals", or
>>whatever... The bottom line seems to be that a lot of the elite tS
>>userbase has gone or shifted. No one pushes the TSML anymore, in fact,
>>if you were to do a poll of tS forum users, how many would even know
>>that this list exists (even though it's listed on the navigation bar)?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Heath
>>
>>(Long live the TSML)
>>
>>
>>Dave Gray wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>As a lurker of note, I still read every e-mail I get from the TSML and
>>>hardly ever visit the forums.
>>>
>>>TSML has been with me ever since I bought tS 4.3 and I would also
>>>honestly
>>>be sorry to see it close down.
>>>
>>>Forums I would imagine do have their place but the same thing has
>>>happened
>>>to me as it did to Omar on a different forum. Disappointing to say the
>>>least.
>>>
>>>A lot of the "posters" are not to be seen anymore (example Phil Emery)
>>>but I
>>>guess they may have moved on to the forum (or other software packages).
>>>
>>>My vote would be to keep TSML going.
>>>
>>>Cheers!
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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