TSML Closing 2005-04-28 - By Hazmat
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Dave,
Your numbers are certainly sobering to say the least, I'm sure that you
would find similar statistics with the forum as well. One could argue
that it would be easier/cheaper to get rid of the forum and boost the TSML!
You are absolutely right that it is the community that makes the TSML,
and not Caligari. The bottom line is that the user base has shifted to
a new demographic or has shrank, or both. I don't have much more to say
to your post, I just hope that Roman was just trying to whip us into a
frenzy with the "TSML Closing" post. ;) I would really like this list
to be around when tS7 hits the CD-ROM tray. :)
Heath
David P. Angelini wrote:
> Dave, Heath
>
> I agree with you on a number of levels, but let us remember that it is
> the
> community and NOT Caligari which make the TSML what it is....and
> basically,
> the community is going away from the TSML.
>
> Sorry....but here are the numbers that prove my point.
>
> Using the search function of the TSML archive, I ran a couple of
> queries. I
> queried for the total number of posts for the first 4 months of each year
> (January through April) for each year in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005.
> The totals are as follows:
>
> 2001 - 7,326 posts were made between 1/1/2001 and 4/30/2001
> 2002 - 4,023 posts were made between 1/1/2002 and 4/30/2002
> 2003 - 2,521 posts were made between 1/1/2003 and 4/30/2003
> 2004 - 800 posts were made between 1/1/2004 and 4/30/2004
> 2005 - 354 posts were made between 1/1/2005 and 4/28/2005
>
> And if you look at the last month (April, 2005), there were only 37 posts
> made to the TSML of which 19 had "Test" as the subject and 13 were
> related
> to the TSML closing. Only 5 were actually related to anything in
> support of
> using tS! Now compare that to the 1,142 posts made in April of 2001 !!!
>
> So accounting for seasonality, school, work, whatever....the fact remains
> that the average number of posts drops by a factor of 2 (or cut in half)
> each year. Basically, people are just not using it and the level of
> support
> it provides to the tS community is only a shadow of what it once was. We
> can all get nostalgic about the glory days of the TSML (tSx
> announcements,
> flame wars, great WIPs from Terry Halliday, Opie Juan, Andrew Moffit, Dr.
> Wall, etc.) but that community is just not there anymore. There is very
> little to no plugin development going on anymore and a lot of the old
> timers
> (self included) who relied on the TSML in those days have moved on.
>
> We must face facts about the TSML as they are and not what we want
> them to
> be. Even if Caligari were to keep the service going (taking resources
> away
> from much needed development by the way), you are still not going to
> get the
> same amount of benefit it once provided for the simple reason that the
> number of people who use it keeps declining year after year.
>
> Sorry...but it is what it is.
>
> Thanks
> Dave Angelini
>
>> So, to me it's all about the amount of time it takes me to stay abreast
>> of tS/community. This list has been dead for longer than what could
>> reasonably be explained by "the holidays", or "school finals", or
>> whatever... The bottom line seems to be that a lot of the elite tS
>> userbase has gone or shifted. No one pushes the TSML anymore, in fact,
>> if you were to do a poll of tS forum users, how many would even know
>> that this list exists (even though it's listed on the navigation bar)?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Heath
>>
>> (Long live the TSML)
>>
>>
>> Dave Gray wrote:
>>
>> >As a lurker of note, I still read every e-mail I get from the TSML and
>> >hardly ever visit the forums.
>> >
>> >TSML has been with me ever since I bought tS 4.3 and I would also
>> >honestly
>> >be sorry to see it close down.
>> >
>> >Forums I would imagine do have their place but the same thing has
>> >happened
>> >to me as it did to Omar on a different forum. Disappointing to say the
>> >least.
>> >
>> >A lot of the "posters" are not to be seen anymore (example Phil Emery)
>> >but I
>> >guess they may have moved on to the forum (or other software packages).
>> >
>> >My vote would be to keep TSML going.
>> >
>> >Cheers!
>> >Dave
>> >
>>
>
>
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