 | | | Re: Character rig test in files section | Re: Character rig test in files section 2005-05-27 - By Carl Desmond
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Nobody would jump on this thread but me! I am such a loose cannon! I like
the public displays of affection (or is that affliction?)... Either way, I
hope you both battle it out to the death and I can't wait to see who comes
out on top. I am taking bets on who will win if anyone cares to wager? :P
Just kidding as always... BTW all, we still need tutorials for 3dXtract ;)
as Ringo has stated... You do get paid and you also get a free 3dXtract CD
to boot!... Hehe
Thanks
Desmond (the other Carl)
On 5/27/05 8:00 AM, "Ringo Monfort" <ringom2001@(protected)> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> My first post to you about what you said was not fix in C4 was to
> point out the fact that Eovia had done something about it. Even
> Claudia pointed you to a link that maybe be helpful to you.
>
> By the way it was Siggraph 2002 San Antoine Texas for C3. You were
> assigned to the main stage. I was to man the pod section no stage
> fright. Just like there was another person assign to man the other pod
> for Amapi.
> So lets leave it at that.
>
> I could not contribute to the book I was way to busy with other
> companies and projects.
>
> But anyways lets move into more positive territory.
>
> Character animation:
>
> Yes it is not something to get into lightly. No matter how many
> character animation tools and functions that maybe in a 3D application
> they are not going to turn anyone into an instant animator. Frankly if
> anyone has a good solid background in 2D animation they will be able
> to do great 3D animations even with limited capabilities in the software.
> Now in Carrara4 Pro eovia has done improvements and even added a new
> IK tool and morph targets.
> So lets work with what we currently have.
> First lets find a good workflow to rigged up a character. The easy
> part is adding the bones.
> Next is name the bones.
> Create the proper constraints for the bones. Don't just use BALL JOINT
> for everything. It will mess up the character.
> Use the one the "custom constraints" to set up the range of movement
> for say shoulders, elbows ,wrist.
> Drag and drop the constraints to the brower tray to save them for
> future use.
> YOu can even drag and drop from one bone to another bone. That will
> save you time.
> The next easy tool to use is the "Create IK chain" icon that looks
> like a chain.
> For example for the legs.
> You have a center bone and another bones that goes to the lower hip
> say right hip etc all the way down to right foot.
> On the Lower hip bone click to select it use create IK chain tool and
> click on the foot bone. You are done. The IK chain has been create.
> Included the target helper.
> It is the target helper that will keep the foot pin down to the floor
> or to any place that you move that helper object.
> Do the same thing for the left leg.
> Same thing for the arms.
>
> I hope this information help you in any way.
>
> The main point is to find the quickest easiest way to rig the
> character and to animate. AFter all that is what you are trying to
> teach new users. So that they can find a nice way to get an animation
> done.
>
> For me I am having a bit of fun rigging this character. I'm finding a
> few things that I wish were avaible to make it even better but I pass
> those suggesting to Eovia.
>
> By the way I am doing this during my working hours so it make take
> some time to get it done. Once I find a nice way to get all of this
> done I'll post it to the list.
>
>
> Later
>
> Ringo
>
>
>
> --- In Carrara@(protected), "MD" <mike_delaflor@(protected)> wrote:
>> Ringo,
>>
>> I am deeply offended at your small-minded, maliciousness. I posted
>> on this forum to get assistance with character animation, and you
>> have been rude, insulting, belittled my efforts with the Carrara
>> books, and have done nothing to help.
>>
>> Why are you resorting to personal attacks? As the moderator of the
>> Carrara group your behaviour is inexcusable.
>>
>> First, are you so desparate to try to make me look bad that you have
>> to go dredge up four year old history? The truth is that at Siggraph
>> 2001 Philip and I performed three solid days of Carrara 2 demos on
>> the main stage; meanwhile you had stage fright and would not get on
>> stage. Philip and Antoine were happy with my work at Siggraph, so
>> any other opinions don't matter.
>>
>> Second, A couple years ago I asked many people to contribute to the
>> C3 book, including YOU. Funny thing is that even though you did a
>> lot of talking you never contributed anything. The C3 book was well
>> received and well reviewed without your help. If you turn to the
>> Acknowledgements in the C3 book, I name and thank all of the
>> contributors and acknowledge their help. Its not a secret, Ringo I
>> don't know everythihg - do you?
>>
>> Third, your attempts to make me look bad and to discredit my efforts
>> with the Carrara books are indefensible. All I am trying to do
>> Ringo, is produce a new Carrara book that will help everyone. The
>> reason I have been posting regularly in the group on character
>> animation with with C4 is that I am trying to find the best solution
>> to inherent problems in the current C4 bones system. Do you have a
>> problem with me asking questions?
>>
>> Finally, I am publically offering you the opportunity to contribute
>> content to the new Carrara book. You would be joining the best
>> Carrara users, whom have already stepped up to the challenge in
>> writing the new book.
>>
>> Also, when can we all expect the character animation file from you?
>> You said character animation in C4 was "a piece of cake". So I
>> assume you will post a wonderful animation today -right? My post is
>> already in the file section.
>>
>> Mike de la Flor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "Ringo Monfort" <ringom2001@(protected)>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I know about character animation no need to lecture me about it. I
>> am
>>> one that has always requested better character animation tools for
>>> Carrara. I also know its limitations.
>>>
>>> When Carrara 3 came out with its limited bones system you didn't
>> know
>>> how to use them during your Siggraph presentation. You asked me if
>> I
>>> would like to write the bones part of your Carrara3 book. I was
>> way to
>>> busy to get it done so I mention it to Wayne K if he would help
>> out.
>>> He said he would. I recommended it to you and Wayne did a great job
>>> for that chapter.
>>> Now you are lecturing me about bones and character animation?!
>>>
>>> When your next book comes out I will read it. LIke in the Carrara 3
>>> book the contributing authors did a fantastic job, Harvey, Wayne
>> and
>>> the others.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that you are going to be the one writting the
>> character
>>> animation chapter this time around. I am basing this on the fact
>>> that you are now asking lots of questions about bones, IKs and
>> morph
>>> targets. Am I correct?
>>>
>>> Later
>>>
>>> Ringo
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not flaming you I am stating things that I have notice.
>>>
>>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "MD" <mike_delaflor@(protected)> wrote:
>>>> Ringo,
>>>>
>>>> I already posted what I can do it's in the files section -
>> remember?
>>>> Did you even look at what I posted? LOL ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Let me clue you in on a couple things Ringo. Character animation
>> is
>>>> challenge even in programs that do it well like Maya, XSI and
>> 3ds
>>>> max. When you have a character animation system that only works
>> in
>>>> certain situations as with Carrara, then sustained, natural
>>>> character animation/movements become impractical.
>>>>
>>>> Now let me clear up something, I like Carrara I have been using
>> it
>>>> for over 10 years, since it was called Ray Dream Designer. I
>> have
>>>> written a well-reviewed book on Carrara 3, I am writing second
>>>> Carrara book, and I write Carrara Q&A articles for 3DWorld
>> magazine.
>>>> But just because I like Carrara does not mean I am going to kid
>>>> myself about its shortcomings.
>>>>
>>>> If Carrara had an practical character animation system that
>> could
>>>> sustain natural movement easily, Carrara users would be posting
>>>> lengthy character animations left and right. So two seconds of a
>>>> walk cycle or some creature jumping around just won't cut it.
>>>>
>>>> Now on a more personal basis, I find your comments about the
>> book
>>>> that I am currently writing on Carrara and Hexagon to be rude
>> and
>>>> unneccessary. You are breaking your own rules of flaming someone
>> on
>>>> the board.
>>>>
>>>> So I hope that after a good night of rest, because you had
>> a "long
>>>> day", you will post the animation you say can be done and an
>> apology.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Mike de la Flor
>>>>
>>>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "Ringo Monfort"
>> <ringom2001@(protected)>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would love to do it but I had a very long day. I'll see what I
>> can
>>>> do
>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the mean time lets see what you can do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ringo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "MD" <mike_delaflor@(protected)>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Ringo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For grins let's assume that you are right and I have not
>> figured
>>>> out
>>>>>> how to use the tools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you claim to know how to use the bones/IK system, can
>> you
>>>>>> please (and this is the second time that I am asking)post a
>>>> Carrara
>>>>>> 4 file where you have a fully articulated, and rigged bone
>>>> skeleton
>>>>>> with constrains and IK/Terminators that is skinned to a 3D
>> model
>>>>>> where the model walks, runs and moves naturally?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And please post a 3 to 4 minute moive where you have
>> animated
>>>> the
>>>>>> above rig to produce natural movement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you say its a "piece of cake" I assume that you will
>> have
>>>> the
>>>>>> files requested posted later on tonight for all of us to see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike de la Flor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "Ringo Monfort"
>>>> <ringom2001@(protected)>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Mike you had access to C4 way before any of the non beta
>>>> users.
>>>>>>> Long time....and you haven't figure out how to use the
>> tools?
>>>>>>> That is going to be one hell of a great book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Later
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ringo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "MD" <mike_delaflor@(protected)>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Really? A piece of cake, eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then can you please post the Carrara file of a fully
>>>>>> articulated,
>>>>>>>> skinned and rigged 3D model with bones, constrains and
>>>>>>>> IK/terminators that works as you say? And please...
>> create
>>>> about
>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>>> to 4 minutes of animation where the model walks and
>> moves
>>>>>> naturally?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe there is something I am missing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike de la Flor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "Ringo Monfort"
>>>>>> <ringom2001@(protected)>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello, Mike.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The pin down bones when moving main bone was fixed in
>>>> C4Pro.
>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>>> one of the main features for C4Pro.
>>>>>>>>> Use the "NEW" IK tool the small chain icon bellow the
>> eye
>>>>>> dropper
>>>>>>>> icon.
>>>>>>>>> It is very easy to setup a character and have it
>> walk.
>>>> The
>>>>>> feet
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> now pin down. Even the hands can be pin down, piece of
>>>> cake. :-
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Later
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ringo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "MD"
>> <mike_delaflor@(protected)>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have posted a 10 second movie in the folder Mike's
>> Sea
>>>>>> Lion,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> shows inital testing of a character rig. I also
>> rendered
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> VectorStyle
>>>>>>>>>> 2 version for kicks. The sea lion is the main
>> character
>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>> film that I am working on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The character was designed by me and modeled
>> entirely in
>>>>>> Carrara
>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>> using subD. Aniamtion is done with bones, I have
>> facial
>>>>>> morphs
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> but this is a bones test.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am attempting to figure out how to make the sea
>> lion
>>>> crawl
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> bones but I am running into the same problem that I
>> wish
>>>>>> Eovia
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> fix already of not being able to pin down bones when
>> the
>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>> bone is
>>>>>>>>>> moved.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
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