Re: New Image Tru 'Nembra 's Pipes 2005-05-03 - By Andi Newton
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You guys are both awesome! I knew when this came up that the folks on this
list would be able to help me with this, and you all definitely have. Now I
understand what's needed for both photocopying CG images and printing them.
Just to fill in the gaps a bit, this particular publisher does two lines of
books. For their higher end books, they have artists and writers submit
work, then the publisher edits and lays out the book. They send these books
to a professional printer to be printed and bound. So they tend to be higher
quality (and more expensive).
The other line of books, which is done much more inexpensively so the books
don't cost as much, is one where an author submits an idea for a book. If
the publisher accepts it, the author writes the book, does the
illustrations, edits everything, and does the layout. When it's done, the
author sends the completed file to the publisher, which then has it printed.
The book that I co-did last year was for that line. I know that book was
sent to a printer (because the printer flipped two pages in the beginning
and completely messed up the entire layout; they got it corrected after I
pointed it out to them); apparently the one that they asked me to do some
artwork for now is simply being run on a photocopier instead.
So that's why I was asking about both photocopying images and using them in
more conventional printing processes. Because there may be cases when
they'll be photocopying my work, but other times when it'll be more
traditionally/professionally printed.
Anyway, thanks again to everyone for all the help and advice. I've ordered
the book that Elena recommended and I'm going to try all the suggestions
that everyone gave so I can figure this out.
And thanks for all the kind comments on the image itself! I'll be uploading
the second in the series tonight, and will post the link when it's out
there, for any who want to see it.
Thanks!
Andi
-- -- Original Message -- --
From: "Bob Dawson" <dawsonbob@(protected)>
To: <Carrara@(protected)>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: [Carrara] Re: New Image Tru'Nembra's Pipes
> Sorry, Andrew: my bad. I wasn't fully awake yet when I responded, and
> I missed that part I think.
>
> I deal with mostly four color work, but everything else, too,
> depending on the client. If there's anything that is guaranteed to
> make life suck, it's inconsistent printers. Don't get me started on
> that one.
>
> Bob Dawson
>
>
> --- In Carrara@(protected), "Andrew" <awbenson99@(protected)> wrote:
>> You are correct with what Andi was asking for. But Andi latter asked
>> if this was something that always needs to be done for "regular"
>> printing. (For whatever "regular" is, I took the assumtion as meaning
>> press-work or inkjet printers.)
>>
>> I remember doing the copy of the copy of the copy reutine in one of my
>> art classes when I was in junior college about 8 years ago.
>>
>> I typically deal with two color (Pantone) print jobs most of the time.
>> So half-tones and overprinting are constant issues for me to deal
>> with, especially considering that my printer isn't consistent with
>> their problems. *sighs*
>>
>> AWBenson
>>
>>
>> --- In Carrara@(protected), "Bob Dawson" <dawsonbob@(protected)> wrote:
>> > Hi, Andrew.
>> >
>> > Unless I misunderstood, the problem was that the image was to be
>> > reproduced on a conventional black and white copy machine, which has
>> > no tone (kinda like running the Threshold filter in Photoshop). When
>> > you're doing an image for that kind of reproduction, you need to give
>> > the image its own "dot pattern" by using grain, reticulation, etc., or
>> > you end up with a black and white blob.
>> >
>> > You and I are so used to doing high resolution print work that
>> > sometimes we forget that some clients are only going to use the Xerox
>> > machine in the hall for cheap, limited production.
>> >
>> > I remember in the old days (pre computers) taking perfectly good
>> > images and running them through a copy machine several time to get
>> > crude, stark, black and white images, then having the result printed
>> > in color for certain effects. I'm pretty sure you must have done the
>> > same. It was a cheap way to give a client a good piece for next to
>> > nothing.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Bob Dawson
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Carrara@(protected), "Andrew" <awbenson99@(protected)> wrote:
>> > > Most printing presses use a postscript that is generated by a RIP
>> > > process. Depending on the quality of the software that you use for
>> > > the RIP, it should make a suitible half-tone (little dot pattern)
>> > > image for the black ink to use. So if you do prepare something
> for a
>> > > printing press, you really shouldn't worry about increasing the
> grain
>> > > on the image, however, you should ask to see a proof if you want to
>> > > assure yourself that there isn't a problem. Photocopy machines also
>> > > perform a RIP but they tend to be highly inacturate and usually
>> > > perform their operations for speed instead of quality.
>> > >
>> > > In a CYMK printing like a home inkjet printer, the grey tones
> are made
>> > > through a composite of each of the four color inks. This makes a
>> > > greyscale image look really good, but is processed and the same as a
>> > > full color image of the same.
>> > >
>> > > AWBenson
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In Carrara@(protected), "Andi Newton" <andin@(protected)> wrote:
>> > > > Thanks for the info, Bob! That really helps. I did apply a diffuse
>> > glow
>> > > > filter to this image in Photoshop to soften it, but kept the grain
>> > > down; I
>> > > > played with the film grain filter, too, but was afraid that making
>> > > it really
>> > > > grainy would cause it not to print well. Guess my thinking was
>> > > backward,
>> > > > huh? I will definitely remember this for next time.
>> > > >
>> > > > Does the same hold true for regular printing, that you need to
>> > make it
>> > > > grainy and then sharpen? Or is it just that the publisher is doing
>> > this
>> > > > particular book on a photocopier? I co-wrote, edited, and
>> > > illustrated a book
>> > > > last year that used CG images, and there were no problems printing
>> > > them.
>> > > > Everything looked fine, so the problems with these images really
>> > > took me by
>> > > > surprise.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks again!
>> > > > Andi
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