 | | | Re: we should not need to buy another program to import poser figures | Re: we should not need to buy another program to import poser figures 2003-12-12 - By pmiinalainen
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--- In Carrara@(protected), richardsan <elfwerx@(protected)> wrote:
> how would some developement in that area intrude on your use of
carrara,
> if you don't like poser?
Quite obviously, it would take enormous amounts of time to create
full integration with poser, bryce etc. external programs. That time
and money would be away from developing better animation capabilities
for carrara including improved bones, timeline, morpher, modifiers,
particles, dynamics, soft-body dynamics, faster opengl,...
And I've said it before, but here i go again. For example poser uses
morph targets for facial expressions. To import that reasonably into
any application, that same feature must exist in your target app as
well. The same issue as recently discussed porblem of importing just
plain 2D lines into carrara. IF they are not in carrara, you can't
import them!! Pretty simple. Or do you want to import your poser 5
figures with 3 quadrizillion polygons as an animation data where
eachvertex is animated. Any computer will choke on that. And it's not
reasonably editable in carrara after that...
If you want to use poser for animation. Why not render there? Just
make custom props and scene in carrara, export, then import into
poser and render there. I don't like poser and don't use it. But i've
done that and it seemed to work with older versions.
petteri
>
> this was rendered elsewhere
> http://www.stratacafe.com/image.asp?imageID=12211
>
> far and away from a finished piece,it was a test, to see how usable
> poser figures+texture maps could be used outside of the poser
> environe... your concerns about poser looking creepy, and others
posting
> about its plastic look, is an antiquated view...it used to be like
that,
> but it has seen vast improvements[just like
raydream/carrara]......there
> is nothing, in its price range, that outputs what it does. poser
has a
> strong community and user-base, so does carrara...inter application
> access is very important, not a whim.
> developement is normal, unless you're a "change is not good" sort
of
> person. i think eovia seems to have its finger on the user-base
> pulse...if we want/need something like this, then someone should
try to
> provide it, or examine alternative methods for incorporating it.
> i can't stand the creepy use of poser either, but i think that
issue is
> another topic. drawing in the dirt has its appeal but it is not
even
> considerable; compared to capturing an image with a nikon.
>
>
>
> m3d242 wrote:
>
> >I'm with you Josh.
> >
> >I can not stand those Poser characters. The vacant, empty look in
their eyes,
> >they all look like zombies. 90% of the time I think they detract
from the scene
> >they are imported into. Even if your scene looks totally real,
having that
> >creepy maniquin in there takes away from it. It's almost never
convincing.
> >
> >Considering all the great things Carrara is capable of I am
actually surprised
> >at how many people are hung up on this Poser thing. Of all the
possible
> >improvemnts that I'd like to see made to Carrara, Poser imports
aren't even
> >on my list. Eovia should extend Carrara's native funtionality
(which I'm sure
> >they will do) and leave the Barbie Doll imports to someone else.
> >
> >
> >
> >-- In Carrara@(protected), Joshua Foster <S1326592@(protected)> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>There are also a lot of 3D people out there that do not like
poser. I
> >>would rather see Eovia work on extending their own program rather
than
> >>extend the functionality of another program. Leave that up to
someone
> >>who wants to make a few more bucks on a plugin.
> >>
> >>Joshua
> >>On Dec 10, 2003, at 11:06 PM, darthbobvilla wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I don't think it is smart to say that by saying OH by the way daz
> >>>studio is working on this so we don't have to bother to do it(
develop
> >>>a poser import plug in.)or say another company is doing it.
> >>>
> >>>When are they gonna come out with it?
> >>>
> >>>is it gonna be crappy or hal way decent?
> >>>
> >>>Most of us buy 3d programs because we have something to do with
it.
> >>>
> >>>If we need to tell a story most of the time it won't be about a
cube
> >>>talking to another cube or cubes invloved in a car chase.
> >>>
> >>>The reason why people need a poser plug in is:
> >>>
> >>>1: there are tons of poser assets
> >>>
> >>>2:the model are now more humane looking that they were before.
> >>>
> >>>3: they are cheap.
> >>>
> >>>4: you don't have to model the assets wich would take you a
month to
> >>>do to build a fairly good looking victoria 3.0
> >>>
> >>>5: everything is there but eovia does not seem to want to
recognize
> >>>the potential.
> >>>
> >>>6: we would replace the cubes by good looking poser assets!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>it would be unfair for us to have to go buy another program, we
> >>>already forked some big money for CS3 but it would be fair if
it was
> >>>an in house product from eovia that we could pay at a reasonable
price
> >>>and "plug in" in our software.
> >>>
> >>>i have learned to import poser with not too much difficulty now
after
> >>>hundreds of hours of test and trials and a fellow here just
showed me
> >>>how to make the hair half decent wich i had spent weeks on but
with no
> >>>success,i use the obj import path and sometimes it is hard to
set up.
> >>>
> >>>i have to pose in poser export the figure then the hair because
if i
> >>>sent it all in one group i cannot modify the hair later in
carrara.
> >>>
> >>>i know my way sounds complex but that is th way i feel
comfortable
> >>>doing it now.
> >>>
> >>>but a full pledge plug in would make it a snap and i know it can
be
> >>>done.
> >>>
> >>>what we should do is write directly to eovia and asked for them
after
> >>>tons of emails they are bound to give us an answer.
> >>>
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