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Well - I got from : http://www.gregssandbox.com/grules/index.htm - which seems
to have dissapeared the following:
PAL
Inches width 0.79213 Height 0.59409
mm 20.1201 15.0899
PAL 16/9
Inches 0.792126 0.445591
mm 20.1201 11.318
These work great BTW in the Camera Panel
S.
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Sandy Sutherland Digital Doodeller - TD
The Refinery (Cape) http://www.refinery.co.za
mailto:sandy@(protected)
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From: Robert Moodie
To: XSI@(protected)
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone Know the Filmback size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone???????
When you say the Size for a Standard PAL , what is that?
Also,
This was from a week ago:
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The most comprehensive table of Aperture and Finder Marking sizes I have yet
encountered is in "David Samuelson's 'Hands-On' Manual for
Cinematographers".
http://tinyurl.com/dlbe9
I have an old, weathered, marked-up photocopy close at hand at all times,
but it lists film formats only.
For video sensors, here are some standard widths (you can compute height
from aspect ratio):
1/3" Video (4:3) 4.8mm
1/2" Video (4:3) 6.4mm
2/3" Video (4:3) 8.8mm
2/3" HD Video (16:9) 9.59mm
I got these off the back of a Canon Lens Focus Chart.
Also keep in mind that frames produced by a "proper" film scanner, for film
work, are most likely full-aperture (is the image 2048x1556? can you see
slight imperfections around the edges and/or radii in the corners?),
while images produced by a telecine for broadcast work could very likely be
digitally "zoomed", which would throw your aperture size out the window.
Further clouding of the issues involved in manual camera tracking can be
found here:
http://tinyurl.com/a9gkd
Cheers,
Bruce MacDougall
Northwest Imaging & FX
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-- -- Original Message -- --
From: Sandy Sutherland
To: XSI@(protected)
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone Know the Filmback size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone?????
??
I know that in General - but there is a Size for a Standard PAL - I am
looking for the same thing for NTSC!
S.
-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----
Sandy Sutherland Digital Doodeller - TD
The Refinery (Cape) http://www.refinery.co.za
mailto:sandy@(protected)
(P) (+27 21) 480 3132 (F) (+27 21) 480 3101
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-- -- Original Message -- --
From: Robert Moodie
To: XSI@(protected)
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone Know the Filmback size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone???
????
The filmback is for the camera not the broadcast format.
-- -- Original Message -- --
From: Sandy Sutherland
To: XSI@(protected)
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:28 AM
Subject: Anyone Know the Filmback size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone?????
??
Er - as the Subject - I am posting again - must be a bunch of dudes
from the good 'ol US who know?????
S.
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Sandy Sutherland Digital Doodeller - TD
The Refinery (Cape) http://www.refinery.co.za
mailto:sandy@(protected)
(P) (+27 21) 480 3132 (F) (+27 21) 480 3101
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well - I got from : <A
href="http://www.gregssandbox.com/grules/index.htm">http://www.gregssandbox.com
/grules/index.htm</A> -
which seems to have dissapeared the following:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PAL</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Inches width 0.79213 Height 0.59409</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>mm 20.1201
15.0899</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PAL 16/9</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Inches 0.792126 0.445591</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>mm 20.1201 11.318</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>These work great BTW in the Camera
Panel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>S.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----<BR>Sandy
Sutherland Digital Doodeller - TD<BR>The Refinery
(Cape) <A
href="http://www.refinery.co.za">http://www.refinery.co.za</A><BR><A
href="mailto:sandy@(protected)">mailto:sandy@(protected)</A><BR>(P) (+27
21) 480 3132 (F) (+27 21) 480
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=robertm@(protected) href="mailto:robertm@(protected)">Robert
Moodie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=XSI@(protected)
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Anyone Know the Filmback
size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone???????</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When you say the Size for a Standard PAL , what
is that?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This was from a week ago:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2><-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---8<-- ---- ---- ---- --
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<DIV><!--StartFragment --> The most comprehensive table of Aperture and
Finder Marking sizes I have yet<BR>encountered is in "David Samuelson's
'Hands-On' Manual for<BR>Cinematographers".<BR><A
href="http://tinyurl.com/dlbe9"
_base_target="_top">http://tinyurl.com/dlbe9</A><BR>I have an old, weathered,
marked-up photocopy close at hand at all times,<BR>but it lists film formats
only.<BR>For video sensors, here are some standard widths (you can compute
height<BR>from aspect ratio):<BR>1/3" Video (4:3)
4.8mm<BR>1/2" Video (4:3) 6.4mm<BR>2/3" Video
(4:3) 8.8mm<BR>2/3" HD Video (16:9)
9.59mm<BR><BR>I got these off the back of a Canon Lens Focus
Chart.<BR><BR>Also keep in mind that frames produced by a "proper" film
scanner, for film<BR>work, are most likely full-aperture (is the image
2048x1556? can you see<BR>slight imperfections around the edges and/or radii
in the corners?),<BR>while images produced by a telecine for broadcast work
could very likely be<BR>digitally "zoomed", which would throw your aperture
size out the window.<BR><BR>Further clouding of the issues involved in manual
camera tracking can be<BR>found here:<BR><A href="http://tinyurl.com/a9gkd"
_base_target="_top">http://tinyurl.com/a9gkd</A><BR><BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Bruce
MacDougall<BR>Northwest Imaging & FX</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:<
/B>
<A title=sandy@(protected) href="mailto:sandy@(protected)">Sandy
Sutherland</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=XSI@(protected)
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Anyone Know the Filmback
size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone???????</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know that in General - but there is a
Size for a Standard PAL - I am looking for the same thing for
NTSC!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>S.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----<BR>Sandy
Sutherland Digital Doodeller - TD<BR>The Refinery
(Cape) <A
href="http://www.refinery.co.za">http://www.refinery.co.za</A><BR><A
href="mailto:sandy@(protected)">mailto:sandy@(protected)</A><BR>(P)
(+27 21) 480 3132 (F) (+27 21) 480
3101<BR>-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">-- -- Original Message -- -- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:
</B>
<A title=robertm@(protected) href="mailto:robertm@(protected)">Robert
Moodie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=XSI@(protected)
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Anyone Know the
Filmback
size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone???????</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The filmback is for the camera not the
broadcast format.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B
>From:</B>
<A title=sandy@(protected) href="mailto:sandy@(protected)">Sandy
Sutherland</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=XSI@(protected)
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:28
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Anyone Know the Filmback
size in Inches for NTSC - Anyone???????</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Er - as the Subject - I am posting again -
must be a bunch of dudes from the good 'ol US who know?????</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>S.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----<BR
>Sandy
Sutherland Digital Doodeller - TD<BR>The Refinery
(Cape) <A
href="http://www.refinery.co.za">http://www.refinery.co.za</A><BR><A
href="mailto:sandy@(protected)">mailto:sandy@(protected)</A><BR>
(P)
(+27 21) 480 3132 (F) (+27 21) 480
3101<BR>-- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -----<BR><
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