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that little yellow bump, that's the giveaway. ;-)
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From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Morten Bartholdy
Sent: 21 June 2005 15:03
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: Re: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?
Yes, I keep forgetting MR can't guess I want a color to vector conversion
when plugging a texture in to the bump input ;)
MB
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From: kim aldis <mailto:kim@(protected)>
To: XSI@(protected)
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?
there's not much point in plugging rgb into a bump vector input. You'll need
to use the bump generator to convert it sensibly into a vector.
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From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Morten Bartholdy
Sent: 21 June 2005 00:25
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: Re: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?
I was using a mixer node too - I just think of color 1 as a layer on top of
the base color. Actually, I can't reproduce that one. However if I plug an
image or procedural texture directly into the bump channel of a Phong
shader, the normals look like they take a hike - the specular is wrong. It
will only render a proper specular when I plug the texture node into
ambient/diffuse channels, which is sort of limiting.
I hope they don't forget revamping bumpmaps for V5.0.
- Morten
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From: kim aldis <mailto:kim@(protected)>
To: XSI@(protected)
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?
When I tried it I wasn't using layers, I just used the mix node.
. I put one Phong into each of the mix2nodes inputs. What was interesting
was that the reflection remained flat where the illumination of the surface
was bumped. So I took out the mixer and just plugged a Phong into the
surface with a bump image in the Phong's bump. Again, the reflection didn't
bump but the illumination did. As far as I can tell right now, if you bump a
phong then it's reflection won't bump. Surely this can't be right?
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From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Morten Bartholdy
Sent: 20 June 2005 17:19
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: Re: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?
Edit:
Kim you were right - only the order of layering is important! I started with
the sublayer with bump as base color and added a reflective coating as color
1 - that makes the reflective coating bumpy too. If I swap the two and add
the bumpy Phong to a reflective surface, the reflection is unaltered by the
bump, which is what I want. A bit backwards though, but it works :)
- Morten
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From: kim <mailto:kim@(protected)> aldis
To: XSI@(protected)
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?
2 phongs into a mix2colours node -> surface?
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From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Chris Marshall
Sent: 20 June 2005 15:41
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: Re: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?
There's a shader called XSI-clear-coat on XSI base. Sounds like it might do
the job for you.
Morten Bartholdy wrote:
Hi List,
I am shading an object which has a bumpy glossy reflective surface and a
smooth layer of transparent laquer covering it, effectively rendering the
surface smooth and reflective.
I can't seem to create this combination in one pass on the same surface, so
I wonder if anyone can offer a trick or workaround to make it work?
TIA!
Best regards
Morten Bartholdy
3D & VFX Artist
cell +45 2169 54676
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, I keep forgetting MR can't guess I want a
color to vector conversion when plugging a texture in to the bump input
;)</FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>there's not much point in plugging rgb into a bump
vector input. You'll need to use the bump generator to convert it sensibly
into a vector.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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href="mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)">owner-xsi@(protected)</A>
[mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Morten
Bartholdy<BR><B>Sent:</B> 21 June 2005 00:25<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Bump and no bump on same surface in one pass?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was using a mixer node too - I just think
of color 1 as a layer on top of the base color. Actually, I can't
reproduce that one. However if I plug an image or procedural texture
directly into the bump channel of a Phong shader, the normals look like
they take a hike - the specular is wrong. It will only render a proper
specular when I plug the texture node into ambient/diffuse channels,
which
is sort of limiting.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope they don't forget revamping bumpmaps
for V5.0.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Morten</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=XSI@(protected)
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005 6:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Bump and no bump on
same surface in one pass?</DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>When I tried it I wasn't using layers, I just used
the mix node.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=936483116-20062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>. I put one Phong into each of the mix2nodes
inputs. What was interesting was that the reflection remained flat
where
the illumination of the surface was bumped. So I took out the mixer and
just plugged a Phong into the surface with a bump image in the Phong's
bump. Again, the reflection didn't bump but the illumination did. As
far
as I can tell right now, if you bump a phong then it's reflection won't
bump. Surely this can't be right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Morten
Bartholdy<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20 June 2005 17:19<BR><B>To:</B>
XSI@(protected)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Bump and no bump on same
surface in one pass?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Edit:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kim you were right - only the order of
layering is important! I started with the sublayer with bump as base
color and added a reflective coating as color 1 - that makes the
reflective coating bumpy too. If I swap the two and add the bumpy
Phong to a reflective surface, the reflection is unaltered by the
bump, which is what I want. A bit backwards though, but it works
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Morten</FONT></DIV>
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>From:</B>
<A title=kim@(protected) href="mailto:kim@(protected)">kim
aldis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=XSI@(protected)
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005
4:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Bump and no bump
on same surface in one pass?</DIV>
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face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>2 phongs into a mix2colours node
-> surface?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris
Marshall<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20 June 2005 15:41<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI@(protected)</A><BR><B
>Subject:</B>
Re: Bump and no bump on same surface in one
pass?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>There's a shader called XSI-clear-coat on XSI base.
Sounds like it might do the job for you.<BR><BR><BR>Morten
Bartholdy wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi List,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am shading an object which has a
bumpy glossy reflective surface and a smooth layer of
transparent laquer covering it, effectively rendering the
surface smooth and reflective.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can't seem to create this
combination in one pass on the same surface, so
I wonder if anyone can offer a trick or workaround to make
it work?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TIA!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Morten Bartholdy<BR>3D & VFX
Artist<BR>cell +45 2169 54676<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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