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Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)

Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)

2005-04-28       - By lpiasecki76

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Thanks Luc,

one more thing, with regards to the press release, are the speed increases
in 64bit version mostly due to ability to address more than 4gb of memory or
will the 64bit version also run faster side-by-side a 32-bit system with the
same (under 4gb) amount of memory?



Luke





 __ __  

From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Luc-Eric Rousseau
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:00 PM
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: RE: Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of
XSI)



it doesn't really matter which compiler switches are used;

these optimizer switches reorder intruction very slightly

to favor one processor over another in very restricted cases

that would likely only show up in benchmarks, and may not be valid with
future

revisions.  A variety of other factors about the machine, like speed, cache

and hard disk, will have much more effect on the performance of software.  

We won't publish how we compile the compile the application; it will run

on either AMD or Intel, how fast depends on the specific machine.


-- --Original Message-- --
From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]On Behalf Of
lpiasecki76
Posted At: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:26 PM
Posted To: xsi
Conversation: Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version
of XSI)
Subject: RE: Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of
XSI)

Luc, since my question was 'bizzare', could you explain please, why then are
there two separate compiler optimization flags in VS2005 for AMD64 and
EM64T:

favor:EM64T and favor:AMD64 ?

If they are indeed identical, then separating those does not make sense to
me.



Luke






 __ __  


From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of
Benjamin Huber
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:51 PM
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: RE: Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of
XSI)



now hold on - maybe i'm super duh! here but does that imply that whatever
64bit extensions intel added to their Xeons

is fully compatible with that AMD did earlier with their opterons?



thanks,



-ben

---
ben huber (x83291)
ilm digimatte
masters of funny cards
---

-- --Original Message-- --
From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]On Behalf Of
Luc-Eric Rousseau
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:38 PM
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: RE: Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of
XSI)

That's a bizzare question, because there is no way to make a 64-bit
application

that runs on AMD64 or Intel xeon 64-bit, without "compiling it for the
opteron".  

There is just one intruction set.

-- --Original Message-- --
From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]On Behalf Of
lpiasecki76
Posted At: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:14 PM
Posted To: xsi
Conversation: Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version
of XSI)
Subject: Could anyone from Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of
XSI)

We will be getting 5-10 extra seats with either 64bit Opteron or Xeons.

Previously it seemed that AMD and SI were partners. With regards to the
64-bit version of XSI. Will it be 'targeted' (compiled) for Opterons or
Xeons? Could you please give us some preliminary speed benchmarks regarding
the performance of 64-bit XSI on 64-bit Opteron vs. Xeon systems?



Kind regards,



Luke Piasecki

QA Assurance Specialist

TVWorks - division of Comcast

tel.: 963-4327






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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>one more thing, with regards to the press
release, are the speed increases in 64bit version mostly due to ability to
address more than 4gb of memory or will the 64bit version also run faster
side-by-side a 32-bit system with the same (under 4gb) amount of memory?<o:p><
/o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Luc-Eric Rousseau<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date
Year="2005" Day="28" Month="4" ls="trans" w:st="on">April 28, 2005</st1:date>
<st1:time
Minute="00" Hour="19" w:st="on">7:00 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> XSI@(protected)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Could anyone from
Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>it doesn't
really matter which compiler switches are used;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>these optimizer
switches reorder intruction very slightly</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>to favor one
processor over another in very restricted cases</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>that would
likely only show up in benchmarks, and may not be valid with future</span><
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>revisions.&nbsp;
A variety of other factors about the machine, like speed, cache&nbsp;</span><
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>and hard
disk,&nbsp;will have much more effect on the performance of
software.&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>We won't
publish how we compile the compile the application; it will run </span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>on either AMD
or Intel, how fast depends on the specific&nbsp;machine.</span></font><o:p></o
:p></p>

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</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-- --Original Message-- --<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-xsi@(protected)
[mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>lpiasecki76<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Posted At:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date
Year="2005" Day="28" Month="4" ls="trans" w:st="on">April 28, 2005</st1:date>
<st1:time
Minute="26" Hour="18" w:st="on">6:26 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Posted To:</span></b> xsi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Conversation:</span></b> Could anyone from
Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Could anyone from
Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)</span></font><font
face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid navy 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Luc, since my question was
&#8216;bizzare&#8217;, could you explain please, why then are there two
separate compiler optimization flags in VS2005 for AMD64 and EM64T:<o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>favor:EM64T and favor:AMD64 ?<o:p></o:p><
/span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If they are indeed identical, then
separating those does not make sense to me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Luke<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font
></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Benjamin Huber<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date
Year="2005" Day="28" Month="4" ls="trans" w:st="on">April 28, 2005</st1:date>
<st1:time
Minute="51" Hour="17" w:st="on">5:51 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">XSI
@(protected)</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Could anyone from
Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>now hold on - maybe i'm super duh! here
but does that imply that whatever 64bit extensions intel added to their Xeons<
/span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>is fully compatible with that AMD did
earlier with their opterons?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-ben</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>---
</span></font><br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ben
huber (x83291)</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ilm
digimatte</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>masters
of funny cards</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>---<
/span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-- --Original Message-- --<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-xsi@(protected)
[mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of
</span></b>Luc-Eric
Rousseau<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date
Year="2005" Day="28" Month="4" ls="trans" w:st="on">April 28, 2005</st1:date>
<st1:time
Minute="38" Hour="14" w:st="on">2:38 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">XSI
@(protected)</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Could anyone from
Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>That's a
bizzare question, because there is no way to make a 64-bit application</span><
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>that runs on
AMD64 or Intel xeon 64-bit, without &quot;compiling it for the
opteron&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>There is just
one intruction set.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid navy 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-- --Original Message-- --<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-xsi@(protected)
[mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of
</span></b>lpiasecki76<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Posted At:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date
Year="2005" Day="28" Month="4" ls="trans" w:st="on">April 28, 2005</st1:date>
<st1:time
Minute="14" Hour="17" w:st="on">5:14 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Posted To:</span></b> xsi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Conversation:</span></b> Could anyone from
Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Could anyone from
Softimage please confirm (re 64bit version of XSI)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We will be getting 5-10 extra seats with either 64bit
Opteron or Xeons.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Previously it seemed that AMD and SI were partners. With
regards to the 64-bit version of XSI. Will it be &#8216;targeted&#8217;
(compiled)
for Opterons or Xeons? Could you please give us some preliminary speed
benchmarks regarding the performance of 64-bit XSI on 64-bit Opteron vs. Xeon
systems?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Luke Piasecki<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>QA Assurance Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>TVWorks &#8211; division of Comcast<o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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