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memory usage = 3.612.324 K
triangles = 96 170 506 cool :)
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From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]On Behalf Of
Brad Friedman
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:20 AM
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: Re: 64 Bit XSI
you don't neccesarily need to recode. sometimes just a recompile to a
64bit binary with the right compiler flags will boost you without changing a
line of source (assuming you didn't hardcode yourself into a 32 bit
environment with your pointers).
Also, JIT compiled languages such as Java or dotNet (c# etc.) will also
just go faster as long as the JIT engine installed is a 64 bit engine that
compiles to 64 bit code. No recompile of your software required.
XSI is neither. But the latest MS Office is actually largely dotNet and
will get a speed boost. Which is kinda funny... given that MS Word is the
last program I can think of that would actually benefit from a 64 bit
execution environment.
As far as the actual speed boost goes, Its a bit contentious. Intel was
arguing for a long time that they had already extended their 32 bit
processors to have some 64bit lengthed registers to process floating point
numbers of such magnitude in one instruction. And hence, they argued, no
need to go 64 bit. But its really tough to sort out the fud from the
marketing from the truth. So in the end it'll probably end up being a
benchmark war. We really need to get some good solid XSI test scene
benchmarks btw. I've not seen any. And they can really be useful for
sorting out the reality of all these hardware configs. Mental ray
performance is one thing but I'd really like to see some scenes that test
out XSI's vertex processing in viewports.
-brad
Simon Pickard wrote:
Thanks everyone for the answers..
Yeah that's what I kind of thought, just moving to 64bit wont make
anything faster unless you code it to take advantage.
If you read some of the stuff out there it's almost as if just sticking a
64bit clip in there magiclly increases your speed tenfold! Grr! Marketing!
Grr!
Regards,
Simon
Simon, 64bit would not really make software faster unless the software
performs operations which are 64-bit on the 'inside'. This is my
understanding. Also, chips like Opteron have twice as many registers as
Xeons, to my awareness, hence using those extra registers can make
software
faster.
At least that's my understanding.
What I wonder though is that they never mention XSI 4.2, but a
'prototype'.
So perhaps it's a prototype of v4.5 or 5.0 ? :-)
-- --Original Message-- --
From: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf
Of Simon Pickard
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:33 PM
To: XSI@(protected)
Subject: Re: 64 Bit XSI
Hi there,
Just a quick question as I don't fully understand all this 64bit stuff.
I understand that moving to 64bit allows extra memory, but why will
moving
to 64bit make xsi any faster?
Regards,
Simon
Actually, I can't wait to install a 64bit Linux distro on my dual
opteron system, with XSI 64bit. Hopefully that will just smoke
everything I could exprience so far :-D
Bernard
lpiasecki76 wrote:
Sounds very interesting. I wonder what kind of speed improvements
can
we
expect and are they due to the extra RAM or perhaps the software is
compiled
specifically for Opterons, in which case it would be using the extra
registers.
Can't wait! That's indeed great news especially now when we're
upgrading
to
64bit dual Opteron systems.
Luke
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Of pargana.r@(protected)
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:16 PM
To: xsi@(protected)
Subject: 64 Bit XSI
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size=2>-- --Original Message-- --<BR><B>From:</B> owner-xsi@(protected)
[mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Brad
Friedman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
XSI@(protected)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 64 Bit XSI<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>you
don't neccesarily need to recode. sometimes just a recompile to a 64bit
binary with the right compiler flags will boost you without changing a line
of
source (assuming you didn't hardcode yourself into a 32 bit environment with
your pointers).<BR><BR>Also, JIT compiled languages such as Java or dotNet (c
#
etc.) will also just go faster as long as the JIT engine installed is a 64
bit
engine that compiles to 64 bit code. No recompile of your software
required.<BR><BR>XSI is neither. But the latest MS Office is actually
largely dotNet and will get a speed boost. Which is kinda funny...
given
that MS Word is the last program I can think of that would actually benefit
from a 64 bit execution environment.<BR><BR>As far as the actual speed boost
goes, Its a bit contentious. Intel was arguing for a long time that
they
had already extended their 32 bit processors to have some 64bit lengthed
registers to process floating point numbers of such magnitude in one
instruction. And hence, they argued, no need to go 64 bit. But
its
really tough to sort out the fud from the marketing from the truth. So
in the end it'll probably end up being a benchmark war. We really need
to get some good solid XSI test scene benchmarks btw. I've not seen
any. And they can really be useful for sorting out the reality of all
these hardware configs. Mental ray performance is one thing but I'd
really like to see some scenes that test out XSI's vertex processing in
viewports.<BR><BR>-brad<BR><BR>Simon Pickard wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid59479.203.94.168.166.1114479103.squirrel@(protected)
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Thanks everyone for the answers..
Yeah that's what I kind of thought, just moving to 64bit wont make
anything faster unless you code it to take advantage.
If you read some of the stuff out there it's almost as if just sticking a
64bit clip in there magiclly increases your speed tenfold! Grr! Marketing!
Grr!
Regards,
Simon
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Simon, 64bit would not really make
software faster unless the software
performs operations which are 64-bit on the 'inside'. This is my
understanding. Also, chips like Opteron have twice as many registers as
Xeons, to my awareness, hence using those extra registers can make
software
faster.
At least that's my understanding.
What I wonder though is that they never mention XSI 4.2, but a
'prototype'.
So perhaps it's a prototype of v4.5 or 5.0 ? :-)
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">-- --Original Message-- --
From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)"
>owner-xsi@(protected)</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:owner
-xsi@(protected)">mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)</A>] On Behalf
Of Simon Pickard
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:33 PM
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:XSI@(protected)">XSI
@(protected)</A>
Subject: Re: 64 Bit XSI
Hi there,
Just a quick question as I don't fully understand all this 64bit stuff.
I understand that moving to 64bit allows extra memory, but why will
moving
to 64bit make xsi any faster?
Regards,
Simon
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Actually, I can't wait to install
a 64bit Linux distro on my dual
opteron system, with XSI 64bit. Hopefully that will just smoke
everything I could exprience so far :-D
Bernard
lpiasecki76 wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Sounds very interesting. I
wonder what kind of speed improvements can
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">we
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">expect and are they due to the
extra RAM or perhaps the software is
compiled
specifically for Opterons, in which case it would be using the extra
registers.
Can't wait! That's indeed great news especially now when we're
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">upgrading
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">to
64bit dual Opteron systems.
Luke
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">-- --Original Message-- --
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-xsi@(protected)">mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)</A>] On
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:16 PM
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:xsi@(protected)">xsi
@(protected)</A>
Subject: 64 Bit XSI
Avid to Preview 64-bit SOFTIMAGE|XSI Software at Microsoft Conference
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.avid.com/company/releases/2005
/050425_64bit_soft.html">http://www.avid.com/company/releases/2005/050425_64bit
_soft.html</A>
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