Cloth 2005-04-05 - By Frank Lenhard
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Frank Lenhard
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Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 6:54:20 AM, you wrote:
L> (Judge Dredd voice) You have been judged!
L> How's it going Kim? I see you're still pretty prolific on the list.
L> John,
L> I'm actually playing with Syflex quite often these days and it
L> seems to work great with not a lot of tweaking. Once you get used
L> to dialing the right internal and external envelopes to solve
L> interpenetration issues, then it's all peachy.
L> If you're planning to make stuff like jackets, it might be
L> better to just create a sim on clusters like midway down the back
L> of the jacket and then weight the rest to the rig. Unless you
L> planned for the character to jump off a building, take off the
L> jacket and attempt to use it as a parachute, then that will work
L> for the most part.
L> One nice trick Brad Gabe showed me was using a cage deformer
L> that had the simulation on it, and then use that to drive an object
L> with some thickness to it. It kept everything nice and neat and
L> prevented a double-sided mesh from "balooning" when applying forces
L> to it. All in all Syflex is nice and fast in terms of getting
L> decent results. It's a ton of fun to play with as long as you get
L> geometry that was designed with cloth in mind.
L> peace,
L> Lu
L> -- -- Original Message -- --
L> From: kim aldis
L> To: XSI@(protected)
L> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:29 AM
L> Subject: RE: Cloth
L> Syflex is way quicker than Maya cloth.
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L> From: owner-xsi@(protected)
L> [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)] On Behalf Of john clark
L> Sent: 03 April 2005 01:16
L> To: XSI@(protected)
L> Subject: Re: Cloth
L> Hi Adam
L> I thought Syflex was supposed to be quick(er) than Maya
L> cloth. But then I don't suppose any cloth sim is gonna be that
L> fast. When you say low high system do you mean deforming the high
L> res mesh with the low res simulation?
L> cheers john
L> -- -- Original Message -- --
L> From: Adam Sale
L> To: XSI@(protected)
L> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:02 PM
L> Subject: Re: Cloth
L> I've done clothing successfully with Syflex, but not
L> without the use of a low - hi system where I end up having to Cage
L> deform the hi to the low system.. The Syflex works well enough, for
L> me though its more a matter of excruciating sim times thats forced
L> me to go the low hi route..
L> High Res stuff has wound up looking pretty good, just
L> wish I had more processing power..
L> I'll admit though, that with High or Low res cloth
L> systems, I've always wound up having to also layer on some
L> corrective shape animation to really sell the effect, especially in
L> shots where characters move quickly from one area / pose to
L> another.
L> Separate cloth passes make the job a lot easier as well
L> Adam
L> -- -- Original Message -- --
L> From: john clark
L> To: XSI@(protected)
L> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:07 AM
L> Subject: Re: Cloth
L> I'm only going from what I saw in the documentary which
L> was clearly Maya cloth. Obviously it may be that it was Maya
L> sitting on top of some of their own stuff. Like you say it may be
L> that it was just for assembly. Whatever it was I'm still quite
L> interested to know whether people have attempted to make clothes
L> with syflex and how they got on.
L> john
L> -- -- Original Message -- --
L> From: Brad Friedman
L> To: XSI@(protected)
L> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:04 PM
L> Subject: Re: Cloth
L> everything I've read says they may have used maya for
L> some clothing assembly but the actual cloth sim was proprietary.
L> note:
L>
L> http://cgw.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=Articles
&Subsection=Display&ARTICLE_ID=215639
L> which has a short explanation.
L> My recollection is that pixar was doing their own
L> cloth sim as far back as "Geri's Game".
L> -brad
L> Steven Caron wrote:
L> they didn't use a proprietary cloth solution?
L> On Apr 2, 2005 5:08 AM, john clark <john.clark23@(protected)> wrote:
L> Hi all
L> I've never used any cloth simulation stuff but yesterday I watched 'The
L> making of the incredibles' and noticed that they used Maya's cloth for the
L> clothes which surprised me 'cos I'd always assumed that it was incredibly
L> slow, but it got me wondering about making clothes. All entirely academic
L> since I work in games with Maya, and cloth simulations are not very
L> real-time! But I wondered what syflex was like and whether you could make
L> shirts and jackets with it easily. Has anyone used it for that sort of
L> stuff? What's it like?
L> cheers
L> John
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