  | | | Displacement with procedural fractals problem | Displacement with procedural fractals problem 2005-03-10 - By Claus, Reinhard
Back That grid structure is actually there in the fractal, but too faint to be visible when viewed as RGB. Only displacement brings out this structure. I think it has to do with how the fractal is calculated. Maybe "Rock" is an option I used that as a workaround once - it uses a different algorithm. Cheers, Reinhard -- --Ursprüngliche Nachricht-- -- Von: owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]Im Auftrag von Axel Akesson Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. März 2005 17:11 An: XSI@(protected) Betreff: Displacement with procedural fractals problem
Hello, We have a problem here at the moment. When using a 3D fractal or a 2D fractal in the rendertree as displacement we see a grid structure in the displaced surface. The fractal pattern is quite large (i.e no fine details). When we render the fractal as a texture map and blur it in the FxTree the problem dissapears. The grid structure is not visible when we view the fractal as RGB. We heard from a programmer friend that this might be a rounding error in the fractal shader? This problem occur when using Fine, Parametric and LDA displacement methods. Also when we pre-subdivide (dividing) the mesh and set subd level to very high the problem appears. Any workaround/solution? Cheers, Axel VR
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I think it has to do with how the fractal is calculated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=379321516-10032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Maybe "Rock" is an option I used that as a workaround once - it uses a different algorithm.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=379321516-10032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Cheers, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=379321516-10032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Reinhard</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=379321516-10032005></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=379321516-10032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=379321516-10032005> </SPAN>-- --Ursprüngliche Nachricht-- --<BR><B>Von:</B> owner-xsi@(protected) [mailto:owner-xsi@(protected)]<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Axel Akesson<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 10. März 2005 17:11<BR><B>An:</B> XSI@(protected)<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Displacement with procedural fractals problem<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT>< /P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">We have a problem here at the moment.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">When using a 3D fractal or a 2D fractal in the rendertree as displacement we see a grid structure in the displaced surface. The fractal pattern is quite large (i.e no fine details).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">When we render the fractal as a texture map and blur it in the FxTree the problem dissapears. The grid structure is not visible when we view the fractal as RGB.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">We heard from a programmer friend that this might be a rounding error in the fractal shader?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This problem occur when using Fine, Parametric and LDA displacement methods. Also when we pre-subdivide (dividing) the mesh and set subd level to very high the problem appears.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Any workaround/solution?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Cheers, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Axel<o :p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">VR<o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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